Wednesday, September 18, 2013

Best Comment Of The Day: Fighting Over Less Public Place

Anonymous has left the following comment on the post "Gang Turf War In Carroll Park?":
The population of Brooklyn is way up. Ten years ago Carroll Gardens was said to have the highest population under the age of 8. Well those kids are now teens and they have to share less space with all the baby's and young children in our very small park. Why haven't the city planners anticipated the quality-of-life issues that were bound to emerge? The most fearful aspect of a deBlasio administration is his plans to pack thousands of new housing units in the area around the canal.
More people (and kids) fighting over less public space will require more aggressive policing just to keep a lid on things. So what can we expect from an administration that will pack us more densely together and lighten the policing at the same time? Will we all be able to live more peaceably together because the babies have pre-k classes being payed for by the wealthy?



11 comments:

fred said...

Not sure that what happened is related to the increase of kids. These teens coming from three different schools have been a problem since years, making the dismissal hours a nightmare for CG residents. We should work with the heads of these schools to let them know about our concern. A least, we pay taxes and deserve respect.

JG said...

I'm disappointed that the comments on this blog have become jingoistic and political. I'm even more disappointed that you chose to reward one of these posters, Katia. Your blog is a great place to learn about our community, not to engage in the type of useless political flame wars that I can find anywhere else on the internet. I'm hoping you'll focus on writing about the news in our neighborhood, not the politics of our city, even though the two are sometimes intertwined. The discussion of the new homeless shelter on Court that took place on your blog was far more civilized - and therefore, much more informative and productive!

JG said...

I'm disappointed that the comments on this blog have become jingoistic and political. I'm even more disappointed that you chose to reward one of these posters, Katia. Your blog is a great place to learn about our community, not to engage in the type of useless political flame wars that I can find anywhere else on the internet. I'm hoping you'll focus on writing about the news in our neighborhood, not the politics of our city, even though the two are sometimes intertwined. The discussion of the new homeless shelter on Court that took place on your blog was far more civilized - and therefore, much more informative and productive!

Katia said...

Point well taken. But politics aside, I though the comment addressed the important point that we need more park space in Carroll Gardens.
According to the Parks Department, Carroll Park is one of the busiest in Brooklyn. As our population has increased, public space has not.
Just look how busy Carroll Park is on a sunny afternoon after school.
If the planned developments around the Gowanus Canal move forward, this neighborhood will lack playgrounds and school slots for all the kids that will live here.
We need to have this discussion as a community. I though the comment was a great way to get us talking.

Howard G said...

"The population of Brooklyn is way up. Ten years ago Carroll Gardens was said to have the highest population under the age of 8."

I heard those comments ten years ago--it's a local myth. Ever been to Borough Park or Williamsburg?

fred said...

@JG : Since I am a regular reader, Katia's blog can be political sometimes. As the concern is about public safety and therefore political, it is normal to read comments you may agree or disagree with.
@Katia: not sure that the problem is the lack of space; there are two mains areas in the park; one is very busy, the other one offering more space is much less.
The teens you are talking about always goes were they can wave around until they go to the kids area and play on the slides and swings. They do not use the basketball or baseball area to practice any sport activity.

Katia said...

Fair enough. Btw. Monday's incident happened in the ball field. However, it could have easily spilled over to the other sections of the park, where smaller kids tend to play.
I just wanted to pint out that this is a very busy park that will just get busier in the next few years as more new families that will move into the new housing that is on the horizon.
We need to make sure that we have adequate play space for all these kids.

Gowanee said...

It is a fact that Brooklyn is underserved for park and open space. Public Place site is still on the books as a an open space for public recreation, and that was done by Frank Verderame decades ago. It shoild be used as such, for environmentalreasons as well - not for a dense housing space as some in the neighborhood would want it used for.

Anonymous said...

does anybody ever wonder why it is that folks against new development because fo the lack of open space are the same ones clamoring for EPA to take over the D&D pool to put a sewage tank in its place?

Katia said...

There is quite a bit of information missing from this statement, don't you think, Anonymous?
How about letting folks know that the pool may have to be dug up to remediate the land that the pool sits on? There is toxic coal tar left behind by a former Broooklyn Union Gas site, that needs to be dug up.

Of course everyone in the neighborhood would fight to have National Grid, which is now responsible for the clean-up, rebuild the pool if it needs to be removed temporally for remediation.

CG family since bfeore St. Agnes said...

It wouldn't be such a bad idea if the Patroling Police Force (who drive around in cars - usually talking ON thier Cell Phones: Driver AND Shot-gun) would step out of thier cars between 2:45 and 4:15 and do a foot patrol of the park and other public spaces.
Afterschool teens fighting has been an issue since the 1800's - only now in the 2000's they've started carrying guns & knives, again.