tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post2349865144947456139..comments2024-03-28T13:46:38.346-04:00Comments on Pardon Me For Asking: Mark Iacono, Owner Of Lucali, Stabbed On Smith StreetKellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17882047670852126739noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-29848141095024491792011-04-22T20:31:24.264-04:002011-04-22T20:31:24.264-04:00Concetta, there is absolutely no hate but Jill gav...Concetta, there is absolutely no hate but Jill gave me the opportunity to make a word, I took it. <br />About legacy RC, I would agree with you in some way; however I was talking about this story http://ny.curbed.com/tags/cheever-place which is different.<br />This discussion brings us far away from the subject. <br />Katia, some update? was the bail paid? is Lucali open?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-30170674039178302962011-04-22T10:01:00.177-04:002011-04-22T10:01:00.177-04:00Anon 9:41, what's wrong with you? Why such ha...Anon 9:41, what's wrong with you? Why such hate for Jill? We've gone from street fights to real estate! Rent control is a disease that makes people feel entitled to stay in a dwelling that DOES NOT BELONG TO THEM! I especially find legacy RC's to be most distasteful. Get a job & pay for your own home. Don't be a parasite.Concettanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-85374603732609899492011-04-22T09:57:32.021-04:002011-04-22T09:57:32.021-04:00Anon 9:41, you sound a little off...To Frankie, be...Anon 9:41, you sound a little off...To Frankie, believe me when I say that you'll never leave. Rc is a disease--one that doesn't leave. Let me know when you do move (& where) because if you can find a (relatively) nice neighborhood, close to the city, that's safe--I'll move too!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-67044402371046534472011-04-19T21:41:35.612-04:002011-04-19T21:41:35.612-04:00From a personal issue ( money or girl who knows, w...From a personal issue ( money or girl who knows, who cares ) between two guys the discussion is migrating to real-estate. <br />Concetta reminds me a story that did happen in my street. A young man who pushed his old aunts and uncle out of the home they were used to live in since they were child, to sell it to yupsters. The market was so high, man! <br />Hey Jill! griddy enuff for ya?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-25384590306513710942011-04-19T19:58:22.778-04:002011-04-19T19:58:22.778-04:001 - let's not make this a fight. We are just d...1 - let's not make this a fight. We are just discussing things here. <br />2 - let's not bring the going green bull into this. I know most of or all of the new commers are about that way of life that's fine but don't shove it in others faces. In my opinion I think they are just fooling them selves. This you don't want to get into with me believe me. <br />3 - Frankie:<br />Stereo typing is not only fun but there is much truth to it weather you like it or not. If your in a rent controlled apt. In this area I'm sure your land lord either wants you to move or die. Can't you see after all these years your living here it's now about $ and for the rich only! and your not wanted.<br />4 - let's not talk about walking and biking being healthier I'm not saying that it's not, but as a kid there was more then just that. We used to play all day after school and on the weekends outside in the street or a friends yard. <br />NO PLAY DATE NEEDED! Hanging out on a friends stoop was more then enough fun getting to know the new kid on the block. But as the new commers moved in the cops were called a lot and chased everyone home. Always complaining it's to noisy or your making a mess. The kids use to walk for hours meeting up with friends or playing ball outside. <br />5 - there isn't anyone in the neighborhood that can say "I have been going to that store for years" these businesses change every few months or years with no acknowledgment to there customers. Yes there are a hand full of stores from the old days and guess what there owned and operated by the original owners and thier family's.Mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-84365929462638252772011-04-19T19:01:07.000-04:002011-04-19T19:01:07.000-04:00Lmao @Landlord
First off being RC is fantastic. Y...Lmao @Landlord<br /><br />First off being RC is fantastic. Yes it does help ALOT. Especially being that I'm going for my Masters in Sports Administration up in Buffalo. But all kidding aside, me and my sister know the whole "Don't ever get rid of the apartment" bit. An for your info no I dont live in a brownstone, it was yellow brick before my "LandLord" made it brown by using styrophone over it. Pathetic I say. But my family has been living on Henry St for 90 years. Ever since my great grandparents moved from Sicily. An as the generations went on and the grandchildren all moved ( either to Nj, Florida or Westchester) my mom stood to raise me and my sister. An my mom knew once we got older we too would move. When she passed in 2007, we both moved on. Recently the Landlord offord us some money which he'll have to make a better price if he wants us out. But we both know the situation. In all honesty and with out any bs that you might think I'm saying, I rather just move on and leave "the nest". My sis plans to get married soon and move to LI and I rather live in the city. I know some of you just don't understand, but most of you moved out of your towns for a better life...why can't I?Frankienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-83415416954342999232011-04-19T18:13:22.485-04:002011-04-19T18:13:22.485-04:00To Frankie, I had a sneaking suspicion you were an...To Frankie, I had a sneaking suspicion you were an RC. I think rent control should be abolished--you are a legacy rent controller Frankie. I don't believe you nor your sister will EVER vacate that apartment!LandLordnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-30924521015407501192011-04-19T15:46:28.597-04:002011-04-19T15:46:28.597-04:00See comments like the ones above this is why Itali...See comments like the ones above this is why Italians get stereotyped all the time. I'm full Italian and I really dont want to be placed even close to the ones your describing. Also I really appreciate everything that has changed for the better in this neighborhood. I really don't understand why no one here can accept change? Like it's really nothing bad to accept it; we all move on in life and not everyone is going to keep tradition like the ways of the "old Carroll Gardens", like the person said in an older comment for this article, people move out and go and live some place else, so not everyone is going to keep up the tradition in their lives of how things used to be. I'll be honest I'm here for 26 years living in a rent controlled apt with my sister and the only thing keeping me living here in this neighborhood is the rent. The people next to me are paying 3,000 while I'm under 400! But once the economy starts to get better I'm going to move on. So basically, some of those old timers and their kids are only here still because of three reasons : 1. They own their building, 2. Their either rent controlled or rent stabilized or 3. Just trying to hang on to the past. I'm not trying to upset any one, but it's common knowledge and fact that that's the reason. To conclude, and I know people will re-comment this, will be fighting forever, just because no one here can accept change. They don't like it and won't admit to it. Go ahead post your "anonymous" comments.Frankienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-28402374791890570592011-04-19T15:31:26.603-04:002011-04-19T15:31:26.603-04:00- To Concetta:
Are you real or are you trying to m...- To Concetta:<br />Are you real or are you trying to make the old timers look stupid? (or both for a matter of fact...)<br />You are saying that new "newbies" lack respect and you are willing to charge a "high rent" to them...<br />forcing indirectly the old timers out of the area... <br />And please don't talk on behalf of them like when you wrote "That is not were the resentment comes from". I'm an old timer and I think that our kids leaving the area is a key factor on our judgement of the change happening here.<br /><br />- I agree with you Frankie<br /><br />- To Matt:<br />you said "I don't think the old timers are worried about change", are you living here?<br />This is one of their obsessions: "the yuppies", the "newbies" are bringing change like Italians brought in the area about a century ago when Norwegians were the majority!<br />New stores, new restaurants, increased rents, young families, etc...<br /><br />When you said "But It's wrong to then add bike lanes and pedestrian friendly sidewalks to a neighborhood that historically never had them."<br />Wow that's a good one, so if we analyze a bit your statement, you will be happy living during the stone age?<br />Transportation means evolved through times, and yes greener alternative than SUVs for instance, as biking or just simply walking is a concrete (and welcome) trend in our cities facing severe environmental challenges (air pollution that leads to ashma for example).<br /><br />I agree with you that architectural aspects of many buildings in our area (and their gardens) need to be protected.<br /><br />And I will add a little quote:<br /><br />"When you're finished changing, you're finished."<br />Benjamin Franklin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-31613794293656090352011-04-19T12:49:02.448-04:002011-04-19T12:49:02.448-04:00When we are talking about "old timers" a...When we are talking about "old timers" are we talking about the Irish or the Nords or the Native Americans that original lived in Carroll Gardens before those newbies, aka the Italians, moved in? Get over your narrow minded views about whats/what and whos/who.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-72704329881721366602011-04-19T10:25:09.207-04:002011-04-19T10:25:09.207-04:00I don't think the old timers are worried about...I don't think the old timers are worried about change, but for the historical association I'm sure run by new commers, have home owners in the area have thier home look a certain way for example large windows and double doors on the stoop of thier brownstones because this Is an historical neighborhood which is fine and that's what it should look like. But It's wrong to then add bike lanes and pedestrian friendly sidewalks to a neighborhood that historically never had them.Mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-60614844985020900042011-04-19T09:42:13.296-04:002011-04-19T09:42:13.296-04:00OMG " $10 bucks says Jill has a $2000 baby st...OMG " $10 bucks says Jill has a $2000 baby stroller in her brownstone. "<br /><br />This post has gone crazy! I don't understand the mob thing with Lucali at all. Really?<br /><br />And as fas as accepting the strollers and dogs with little coats? Damn those animal lovers! :) But at least they don't block the side walk with Jill's $2000.00 stroller! Oh, wait, wasn't that stollen from her front yard a day ago..? ;) I saw it listed on CraigsList...!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-25164209213078881252011-04-19T01:10:25.745-04:002011-04-19T01:10:25.745-04:00I've lived in the neighborhood my entire 26 ye...I've lived in the neighborhood my entire 26 years of life on Henry St between Sackett and Degraw and this is the first time I've ever heard of a stabbing in the neighborhood that was not involved with the projects area. Truly idk why people would say that the neighborhood was bad once, because if you want to bring up the past you have to go way before I was born to really talk about the garbage that occured before the neighborhood drastically changed to a positive.Frankienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-26645291917263886242011-04-18T23:07:05.652-04:002011-04-18T23:07:05.652-04:00To anon 7:42, the answer is NO! That is not were ...To anon 7:42, the answer is NO! That is not were the resentment comes from. The newbies act entitled, rude & above it all. They are totally clueless. They lack respect for the 'old timers' (Italians). The only thing that I like about the newbies is how much rent they're willing to pay for one of my apartments!!Concettanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-55281497979653110312011-04-18T21:35:23.731-04:002011-04-18T21:35:23.731-04:00"pedestrian friendly sidewalks"
"bi..."pedestrian friendly sidewalks"<br />"bike lanes"<br /><br />Oh that's horrible, shame on you newcomers... <br /><br />When you said: "no one called the cops if someone was celebrating the 4th of July" are you kidding? You think that newcomers does not want to celebrate this holiday? Or are you referring to the law that stipulates no fireworks? (maybe in your paranoid mind it was a law initiated by newcomers?) Do you really think that you generalize such behavior to all newcomers?<br /><br />Do you listen to yourself?<br /><br />We can feel in your post the "fear of change" (which is common to most of us) but the hatred tone is not needed in our community (that's only for racists, or people that says "my people")<br /><br />And yes I have a problem with the "Pledge to the Flag" and its reference to God. This religious reference was added in the 50s in the middle of the cold war, that is with no reference what's so ever with the fundation of our country.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-28904127869533561032011-04-18T19:42:01.316-04:002011-04-18T19:42:01.316-04:00I've actually always felt welcome and have bee...I've actually always felt welcome and have been close with my neighbors. But it is not me moving in that caused the younger generation to move to Staten Island, leaving their parents to have to rent out their apartments to strangers. Maybe this is where the resentment comes in?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-76331109773317323852011-04-18T19:23:27.050-04:002011-04-18T19:23:27.050-04:00Thanks Jill
Maybe I can buy you a drink one day a...Thanks Jill <br />Maybe I can buy you a drink one day and we can talk about the good old days. anon 9:27, 3:19pm<br /> (Matt)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-12354650730023800132011-04-18T17:39:06.501-04:002011-04-18T17:39:06.501-04:00amen, anon april 18th, 3:19!amen, anon april 18th, 3:19!Jillnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-24631866885623933952011-04-18T15:19:00.112-04:002011-04-18T15:19:00.112-04:00I think we are very welcoming with gay couples, pe...I think we are very welcoming with gay couples, pedestrian friendly sidewalks, bike lanes, and little dogs with coats. It's just that the new people in the area take for granted that they live in an area where things like this happened all the time. And because these things were common it kept the neighborhood close everyone knew eachother and no one called the cops if someone was celebrating the 4th of July and Pledge to the Flag, or complaining of noise pollution at 2pm on a weekend because kids were playing outside. So if your now complaining about not being welcomed, you did that to yourself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-49490730569616021102011-04-18T14:20:33.712-04:002011-04-18T14:20:33.712-04:00I have only lived in the neighborhood for 10 years...I have only lived in the neighborhood for 10 years and have seen it change for better and worse. But funny how the "old-timers" don't seem to mind the newcomers when they're selling their brownstones for millions. I'm over their bitterness and complaining.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-11771252399091138542011-04-18T12:21:57.565-04:002011-04-18T12:21:57.565-04:00Just 2 guys stabbing each other
And you said:
&qu...Just 2 guys stabbing each other<br /><br />And you said:<br />"it does make me feel home again"<br /><br />Wow, I hope I won't visit your home ever...<br /><br />You have to be mentally disturbed to accept such criminal event like "home like".<br /><br />Please refrain your idiotic comments on "Yupsters", at one point you were also "new" to the area. Think about it. Be welcoming.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-12766742794587549092011-04-18T11:49:56.713-04:002011-04-18T11:49:56.713-04:00Wonder if when Lucali's re-opens if they will ...Wonder if when Lucali's re-opens if they will charge by the slice! <br /><br />Hey-Oh!!! <br /><br />$10 bucks says Jill has a $2000 baby stroller in her brownstone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-21140118437757372552011-04-17T21:27:26.394-04:002011-04-17T21:27:26.394-04:00Jill I agree with you and understand where your co...Jill I agree with you and understand where your coming from. My family has been in this neighborhood over 100 yrs now and to hear something like this, does make me feel home again. If your originally from this area you know both of these men and thier past. So to the new people in the neighborhood (Yupsters) it probably is best to stay out of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-74700834308904910292011-04-17T16:47:39.325-04:002011-04-17T16:47:39.325-04:00Jill, you're a victim of the media. You live ...Jill, you're a victim of the media. You live in a world where the tragedies of others unfold for your amusement. When something like this happens in your community and you see it as simply an opportunity to toss around snide comments, you're showing that you've lost touch with your humanity and your community. That doesn't make for a happy life, and I urge you to look in the mirror.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-28609171839146824322011-04-17T11:07:47.576-04:002011-04-17T11:07:47.576-04:00Welcome to the neighborhood, newbies! It's st...Welcome to the neighborhood, newbies! It's starting to feel like home again.Jillnoreply@blogger.com