tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post3453238391786101320..comments2024-03-28T13:46:38.346-04:00Comments on Pardon Me For Asking: What Do You Think Of The Proposed Express F Train Service? What Do You Think This Will Mean For Riders In Gowanus, Carroll Gardens and Cobble Hill?Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17882047670852126739noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-1374225933593595912016-05-29T01:18:34.535-04:002016-05-29T01:18:34.535-04:00This is a great plan! I cant wait until it takes e...This is a great plan! I cant wait until it takes effect.Nancynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-61593626100212024712016-05-26T19:22:24.689-04:002016-05-26T19:22:24.689-04:00This is absolutely ridiculous. They are penalizing...This is absolutely ridiculous. They are penalizing 5 stations like they did the last time and that was a disaster. What rocket scientist can explain the benefits of inconveniencing the most populated stations of Bergen and Carroll streets. For this people are getting paid!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-83902206567972318962016-05-25T23:06:31.948-04:002016-05-25T23:06:31.948-04:00There's some history here: in 1968, F express ...There's some history here: in 1968, F express service was first implemented in Brooklyn, with both the northern (Jay-Church) and southern (south of Church) segments running express. Express service on the northern segment was pulled in 1972 in response to rider complaints from local stations along that stretch, and a revival of this express segment in 1976 lasted less than a year. Thus, if history is any indication, I predict that if the MTA's current proposal for F express service were to be implemented (without any additional local service), the express service will be discontinued within five years of its implementation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-13895922470181917182016-05-23T11:40:51.851-04:002016-05-23T11:40:51.851-04:00So the MTA is going to implement this "trial&...So the MTA is going to implement this "trial" service this summer. This will not reflect an accurate picture of what the express service consequences will be during the rest of the year. Schools will be out very soon for the summer, so the large elementary, middle school, and high school student population taking the F will not be there. It's been my experience commuting to/from Manhattan everyday for 40 years on the F train that summer is "relatively quiet," and the passenger load is lighter as people take their summer vacations. Once September rolls around, the increase in ridership, especially during the morning rush hour, explodes. That's when the real problems with this ill-conceived plan will emerge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-40600162795872233522016-05-21T23:46:42.017-04:002016-05-21T23:46:42.017-04:00It is my impression that across the board, there i...It is my impression that across the board, there is less train frequency than there used to be 10 or 15 years ago. This is certainly true at night and I think also during the day. Why doesn't the MTA just restore the lost frequency and solve the overcrowding that way. More trains also means faster movement through the local stations at rush hour, since less time will be spent sardining the commuters. <br />Also, in Japan, where the trains are even more crowded, the whole [enter the station / passengers off/ passengers on/ exit the station] process is significantly faster than ours. If you save 20 seconds at each station, that is better than the ill-conceived express version being proposed by the MTA.matteonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-65040327181380099422016-05-20T20:43:07.331-04:002016-05-20T20:43:07.331-04:00More citizen protesters are need in Carroll Garden...More citizen protesters are need in Carroll Gardens!! More people are needed to contact Brad Landers about the express F train service, the shortage of pre-k seats, the delay on cleaning the Gowanus Canal!. <br /><br />It takes a GROUNDSWELL not a few isolated concerned citizens to effect real change. Call Brad Lander now!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-73948354285940416082016-05-20T18:51:45.681-04:002016-05-20T18:51:45.681-04:00Who do we pressure about this and how? This is a t...Who do we pressure about this and how? This is a terrible idea. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-76283009696563445622016-05-20T10:03:52.664-04:002016-05-20T10:03:52.664-04:00I think it is ridiculous that the express will end...I think it is ridiculous that the express will end at Jay Street. It would make sense if the express extended into Manhattan and Queens. The platforms for the local stations will just become more and more crowded as that empty express trains whizzes by. kathleenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082706730126901817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-24431445437571198392016-05-20T09:03:09.422-04:002016-05-20T09:03:09.422-04:00Who to contact:
311. Though they'll ultimate...Who to contact:<br /><br />311. Though they'll ultimately direct you to the information below, it's a good way for the city to see there's a groundswell of complaints.<br /><br />MTA: various methods available here http://web.mta.info/faqs.htm <br /><br />Your district's council member: http://council.nyc.gov/html/members/members.shtml<br /><br />For most readers of this blog, it's Brad Lander: <br />http://council.nyc.gov/d39/html/members/home.shtml<br />718-499-1090, email lander@council.nyc.gov,twitter @bradlander<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-37401845674553671702016-05-19T21:24:58.907-04:002016-05-19T21:24:58.907-04:00I too think this is a terrible idea and would like...I too think this is a terrible idea and would like to protest. What can I do? Who should I contact?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-11757280558690755832016-05-19T17:14:29.528-04:002016-05-19T17:14:29.528-04:00This is awful. Terrible. It was already incredibly...This is awful. Terrible. It was already incredibly crowded; this seems like a real middle finger. A few people here have mentioned they contacted their officials. Can someone tell those of us who don't know – who should we contact? Thanks in advance! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-38858755031216134882016-05-19T10:09:57.829-04:002016-05-19T10:09:57.829-04:00The MTA does not recommend it.
Lander is vehemen...The MTA does not recommend it. <br />Lander is vehemently against it.<br />This is all Greenfield noise.<br />Whose ear does Greenfield have?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-13186018903386615182016-05-19T10:07:24.502-04:002016-05-19T10:07:24.502-04:00According to the MTA's research, the bottom li...According to the MTA's research, the bottom line is:<br />- They are not adding more trains, they are splitting the existing pool<br />- Express trains will be more crowded than current local trains<br />- Service to local stops will be reduced by 50%, doubling waiting times for local stop residents (who are the majority of ridership)<br />- Alternate new routes for former F-only riders involving the G and transfers will add time to commutes<br />- The more-crowded express trains will save only 3 minutes of commute time.<br /><br />How is this a good idea? It's not. <br /><br />It's simply a move by Greenfield to deliver on his undeliverable campaign promise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-78087438948967799322016-05-19T09:51:51.502-04:002016-05-19T09:51:51.502-04:00DOn't understand why the express also bypasses...DOn't understand why the express also bypasses Smith-9th stop where you can switch to the bus to go to "transportation-starved" Red Hook. And then it skips the R-train transfer at 4th Ave to then stop at 7th Ave?<br />Seems that if Carroll is a local stop, so should 7th Ave be; that the express should favor moving people towards the souther reaches of the line and that would mean a transfer at 4th ave to the R. But any solution does need a massive addition of trains making stop along the local route.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-19379987169190311082016-05-19T09:40:08.102-04:002016-05-19T09:40:08.102-04:00If the G went to Jay...I always thought this. Long...If the G went to Jay...I always thought this. Longer trains on the G, too. Would love not to miss the G every time I step down and its stopped 3 cars down the platform..<br /><br />I just don't see the logic of the express. Will the local trains be less packed because the express people are already inside a train? Now, maybe if the local started at 7th ave.. Now there's a great idea. Or a sky tram from Carroll to Lower Manhattan?? Sky Tram...I want that.<br /><br />Now, do we really think those Lightstone people will even ride a train? The R seems closer for "them". Maybe they are paying for shuttle service to Jay Street.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-14493013109990070962016-05-18T23:34:40.504-04:002016-05-18T23:34:40.504-04:00I truly think this plan will make commuting to the...I truly think this plan will make commuting to the city much more worse for thosd of us in Carroll Gardens than it already is. And it already is horrible...especially on weekend! UGH The crowds and long waits are awful especially at rush hours. Can we say OFTEN "LATE FOR WORK?" :(Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-27733252745950514972016-05-18T19:30:54.817-04:002016-05-18T19:30:54.817-04:00Very many people on the F change for the A at Jay ...Very many people on the F change for the A at Jay St. Going to Hoyt on the G not only increases the ride but adds 2 flights of stairs to the commute which is not trivial. That is not an acceptable alternative. This is just a poorly thought through idea that is not supported by the statistics. It does not serve the majority so I have to wonder whose friends/family are benefiting. Agree with the above assessment of Lander. He sure does not represent me. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-31166557222238298252016-05-18T14:36:37.491-04:002016-05-18T14:36:37.491-04:00Totally against. Will be emailing officials to voi...Totally against. Will be emailing officials to voice opposition. sinrod@gmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04376370052205748182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-44577946883759810092016-05-18T13:54:33.154-04:002016-05-18T13:54:33.154-04:00F riders along the local stops in Carroll Gardens ...F riders along the local stops in Carroll Gardens / Gowanus will be able to take the G train locally, then switch. The G should now have improved service because it won't be competing on the same tracks as the F in that area (or at least it won't be competing with as many Fs) which will mean reduced stops and wait times because of train traffic. They can then switch to to the A/C at Hoyt Schermerhorn. True, this solution is imperfect without the restoration of the lower level at Bergen Street to make a G --> F transfer easy, but I think it's at the very least worth trying out for a summer to see how it goes. The people in deeper Brooklyn farther down the F deserve that express service. Ben U.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-28941781639915915952016-05-18T13:45:57.340-04:002016-05-18T13:45:57.340-04:00Why not figure out a way to run the G express? Or...Why not figure out a way to run the G express? Or run an A/C train express over the F line? Or the E? Currently you can't get on the F at Bergen after 8am, only to have half the train empty one stop later. Looks like that time will move up to 7:30am. Todd Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06360039144158318577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-41277471120557710902016-05-18T12:49:07.704-04:002016-05-18T12:49:07.704-04:00This isn't a truly well thought idea by the MT...This isn't a truly well thought idea by the MTA and officials. Carroll is already overcrowded during rush hour transit times, and with the new large residential buildings going up along the Gowanus it is only going to get worse.Jimmy from Brooklynnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-66986205868164439772016-05-18T12:33:59.674-04:002016-05-18T12:33:59.674-04:00I don't think this is a very good idea at all....I don't think this is a very good idea at all. The small amount of time saved by Southern riders doesn't seem to come close to making up for the limited service we'll receive here in CG. Silver lining, I guess I'll get my steps in walking to and from Jay Street-Metrotech. Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15372762861062196040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-26227824743715447732016-05-18T12:07:57.769-04:002016-05-18T12:07:57.769-04:00This post has ridership data from stops between Be...This post has ridership data from stops between Bergen and Avenue X:<br /><br />https://medium.com/@_alastair/lunchtime-data-destroying-my-own-dreams-70ddc8b48cb8#.ttd87v4m4<br /><br />Hard to figure how saving the relatively few people who ride from Church Ave and beyond 10 minutes on a trip to Manhattan justifies doubling the average wait time for the larger number who live closer in. Not to mention that some of the skipped stops are areas of greatly increasing residential and work density these days.Eliotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-17528760190519362972016-05-18T12:03:11.671-04:002016-05-18T12:03:11.671-04:00This is the MTA's slap in the face to F train ...This is the MTA's slap in the face to F train riders in this area. After years and years of ignoring the pleas for restoration of the express F, their attitude now is: You want express F service? OK, we'll give it to you to keep you quiet, but don't expect any increase in service. We don't have any extra trains, so we'll just cut the local service you have to accommodate express riders who get on at Church and 7th Avenues and whisk them right past you to Jay Strret. I find it hard to believe that the MTA actually thinks this is a viable or acceptable plan, especially in view of the Lightstone project on Bond Street. Perhaps it's their cynical way to put people up in arms about the plan, protest it to the point of cancellation, and then the MTA won't have to do anything.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-63961056899728043062016-05-18T11:43:45.841-04:002016-05-18T11:43:45.841-04:00This is an abomination. What can be done to fight ...This is an abomination. What can be done to fight against this?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com