tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post6923966582777347544..comments2024-03-28T13:46:38.346-04:00Comments on Pardon Me For Asking: Developer Alloy Suggests Idea That May Solve Delay Issue And Park Loss Associated With Siting Of Combined Sewer Overflow Tank In GowanusKellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17882047670852126739noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-54840260017288605002015-12-08T14:47:11.903-05:002015-12-08T14:47:11.903-05:00Anonymous on Dec 04 got it right--this park land i...Anonymous on Dec 04 got it right--this park land is sick and not good.<br /><br />That is why it is so upsetting that a few non-profits, who claimed to speak for the public, first pushed hard to keep that sick land, sick and filled with toxins. Because they claimed that there is environmental injustice in temporary removing the pool, all the while ignoring the real environmental injustice done by leaving the sick land in it's very sick toxic state. <br /><br />There certainly appears to be some general prevision of basic ideas like environmental justice, in order to push a political position here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-84548455130561982312015-12-07T16:54:54.990-05:002015-12-07T16:54:54.990-05:00I think this has politics written all over it. Loc...I think this has politics written all over it. Local politicians answer to higher ones. If they follow the line, the get promoted. Someone should ask Cuomo or Schumer to comment!Anonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04642011985750077611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-59091004856199412752015-12-04T13:48:17.656-05:002015-12-04T13:48:17.656-05:00It isn't about the park. I live two blocks fro...It isn't about the park. I live two blocks from that park, and even though they spent a lot of money trying to make it more friendly looking, that park is depressing. And it does not get used as much as all that. Walk by it on any day, it is mostly unused. The renderings in this blog entry show here the toxic plume is - part of it is under the kid's pool. That is NOT GOOD. When land is poisoned, I believe that it just doesn't, cannot, be appealing. It is sick.That is the City's doing - paving over the poison and making it a park. That's the kind of City we live in. They have NO CREDIBILITY as far as trying to purport that they are looking after the community's best interest. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-57333706619698603142015-12-03T23:25:24.343-05:002015-12-03T23:25:24.343-05:00It is beyond belief that at the CAG meeting Counci...It is beyond belief that at the CAG meeting Councilman Steve Levin actually tried defending the unnecessary use of eminent domain, the seizing of private land from an unwilling owner, to maintaining the foot print of a "public park" on a separate block!<br /><br />Since when have this relatively tiny and until now, unknown mostly cement public park come to assume the celebrity status of Central Park? <br /><br />Since when is it okay to seize a man's own home across the street from said park to maintain this exact footprint? <br />Since when it it okay to bypass a much more sensible and much cheaper solution?<br /><br />The rat is smelling thick and disgusting in this area.<br /><br />Mr. Levin at the CAG meeting even YOU said the NYC plan "sucked"! So please DO SOMETHING about it! Talk is cheap.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-18770492502535803162015-12-03T14:06:28.115-05:002015-12-03T14:06:28.115-05:00Eminent Domain = Land Grab
(but for whom, really?)...Eminent Domain = Land Grab<br />(but for whom, really?)<br />(or is it all about doing all possible to get in the way of/delaying EPA Superfund Cleanup?)<br />The City's and Fifth Avenue Committee's call for eminent domain is a ruse made more obvious should this Alloy alternative not go through<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-74417155344579096792015-12-03T13:44:16.156-05:002015-12-03T13:44:16.156-05:00Yes, Mrs. G, it sure does.Yes, Mrs. G, it sure does.Katiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06484246196723019291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-75505691484463005642015-12-03T13:29:01.010-05:002015-12-03T13:29:01.010-05:00Greetings Katia,
Great reporting! I agree. Someth...Greetings Katia,<br /><br />Great reporting! I agree. Something here smells worse than the canal ever did!Mrs. Gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-59495643453103575832015-12-03T07:08:19.887-05:002015-12-03T07:08:19.887-05:00Wow, what a meticulous presentation PMFA. Thank yo...Wow, what a meticulous presentation PMFA. Thank you. And thank you, Alloy, for reaching out to the community with this magnificent plan. I don't understand how they could enter into a 99 year agreement with a property owner who in turn is facing possible eminent domain for that property. The siting of the pool has been controversial, and, as 7:20 pointed out - the reasons keep shifting. I saw that coming from the Fifth Avenue Committee, also. They seem keen on eminent domain use of the properties across the pool. First it was that the pool needed to be saved (a pool that has to be dug up anyway). Then it was that the pool site wasn't big enough for the tank and head house. The EPA already has said no head house is needed. Some transparency coming from the Fifth Avenue Committee would be a breath of fresh air as they seem to have usurped power of Gowanus. They are the agency handling the "affordable housing" for the Lightstone Project. And they are the ones with the big development ideas for Public Place site for dense residential housing there. Isn't the exec. director of the Fifth Avenue Committee a commissioner on the City Planning Committee as well? Hmm...too much intrigue, and too sad for Gowanus' fate. I mean, really, Alloy makes so much sense that if their proposal doesn't solve everything amicably then this exposes the real rot.Gowaneenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-58549253395203950662015-12-02T20:28:31.659-05:002015-12-02T20:28:31.659-05:00I completely agree with 7:20 PM that there is some...I completely agree with 7:20 PM that there is something strange going on behind the scene. This is the first time I've heard that maintaining the existing footprint and potential disruption to the park "program" were of paramount importance. <br /><br />Does Eric Landau think we are stupid? When de Blasio was our city councilman he aligned himself with Bloomberg to strongly oppose the superfund and he stills does. While the administration may have changed, the opposition to the superfund has not. It is also worth noting that one of the most vocal critics of the Alloy presentation was appointed to City Planning de Blasio. Is this not a conflict of interest? Maybe the CAG can address ithis concern. <br /><br />I hope to see future presentations from Alloy about this project. Presebtations and discussions that will engage the COMMUNITY and not those with own political and organizational agendas. Welcome to the neighborhood Alloy. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-79456648812951868672015-12-02T19:20:21.627-05:002015-12-02T19:20:21.627-05:00Can anyone explain why the DEP would make any effo...Can anyone explain why the DEP would make any effort bullying the landowners when the architects working with the landowner's clearly have a much better handle on designing something of value for the community. <br /><br />Just what are the DEP objective anyway? First we heard it was about saving the pool. Next we heard it was about adding park space--something the Superfund law was not designed to do. And now with the proposal of additional park land from the developer, all we here from the DEP is that they need the eminent domaine land to manage temporary nuisance construction issues involving infrastructure passage through Nevins Street. The DEP's reasons for insisting on their "preferred" site seam to be ever changing.<br /><br />SO can anyone explain why the DEP wants to do eminent domaine so bad? Surely there is something behind their position.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-27960743643305496002015-12-02T14:36:17.710-05:002015-12-02T14:36:17.710-05:00The administrations change, but the City position ...The administrations change, but the City position on screwing the Gowanus Canal and the people who live and work around the canal remains the same. That alone tells you NYC should not have anything to do with siting where the tanks are placed. Our federal elected officials must make sure the the EPA is allowed make its decision based on facts and not based on the City's pressure to again say the hell with the Gowanus canal & its surroundings. The professional staff at EPA, have since the first day, worked to make this a better/cleaner community for all. The presentation last night, showed a way for nearly a total win for a cleaner Gownaus Canal and a livable neighborhood. It is the way to go.<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-88442613057192955932015-12-02T13:05:45.746-05:002015-12-02T13:05:45.746-05:00Well said, Agnes. Could not agree more.Well said, Agnes. Could not agree more.Katiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06484246196723019291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-85316901583604326342015-12-02T11:56:33.282-05:002015-12-02T11:56:33.282-05:00Alloy's proposal seems to be a godsend to the ...Alloy's proposal seems to be a godsend to the community, a win (tank) win (open space) win (no eminent domain needed). The City has done nothing constructive but fight EPA cleanup in every way it can muster (remember when they said they could do it faster and cheaper??? ha ha). There is no transparency with whatever they want, or don't want, to do. I hope the EPA has the power to have some voice/power in this decision. They have done everything right by the community.<br />As for the pool - there is still a bunch of migrating toxic guck beneath it that is mandated to be cleaned up.Agnesnoreply@blogger.com