tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post7178744395479998459..comments2024-03-28T13:46:38.346-04:00Comments on Pardon Me For Asking: Gowanus Lands: Meet The Group Petitioning the City To Consider A Park On The City-Owned Public Place SiteKellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17882047670852126739noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-1827835386813550462020-07-23T13:28:55.788-04:002020-07-23T13:28:55.788-04:00The bottom line with this proposal: it means NOTHI...The bottom line with this proposal: it means NOTHING if the proposed Gowanus rezoning gets certified in the near future and is off to the races plowing through the ULURP approval process. <br /><br />If Gowanus Lands is serious about making Public Place into a park, it needs to work to stop the proposed rezoning and be at the table from the outset in crafting a better one. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-38446448778211244892020-07-22T11:48:22.984-04:002020-07-22T11:48:22.984-04:00It would be wonderful to have this land as a park ...It would be wonderful to have this land as a park with plantings favoring the natural march consisting of native spartina grasses and other plantings that are capable of breaking down the toxic materials that will remain in the land long after the NYS Brownfield remediation work. <br /><br />Another good goal that could be part of the park, would be to have some green-energy collection system on the site.<br /><br />This looks like a great community-driven effort to get some actuall sustainable urban planning goinging. Better late than never.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-45414103473835419102020-07-17T14:52:33.671-04:002020-07-17T14:52:33.671-04:00@Anonymous 10:51: Brooklyn Bridge Park is two mile...@Anonymous 10:51: Brooklyn Bridge Park is two miles away, Prospect Park is a mile and a half away. St. Mary's Park is all concrete and is underneath the subway overpass. Having green space in the CG and Gowanus neighborhoods would benefit everyone who lives nearby, particularly the Gowanus and Wyckoff Houses, for whom it would be the closest large green space.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-42907910626463234092020-07-15T17:55:33.471-04:002020-07-15T17:55:33.471-04:0010:51 Actually, statistically, the Brooklyn Borou...10:51 Actually, statistically, the Brooklyn Borough is the most underserved of the NYC boroughs as far as parks and park land.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-12952106020123244862020-07-14T22:51:30.332-04:002020-07-14T22:51:30.332-04:00Don’t we have enough parks - large ones - Prospect...Don’t we have enough parks - large ones - Prospect Park, Brooklyn Bridge Park, red hook waterfront. Smaller parks - St. Mary’s Park literally across the street, Carroll Park, and other scattered through the neighborhood. Not to mention that the Public Place redevelopment is part of a larger proposal for a promenade along the Gowanus. Public Place will have green space. Not every site should be a park. If you want more open space move - we are an urban City! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-81486705012119682082020-07-14T11:47:46.487-04:002020-07-14T11:47:46.487-04:00Our neighborhood needs more open space, and more p...Our neighborhood needs more open space, and more park space. Let's stop Lander's plan to take that away from the community that already owns it. <br />I'd also encourage Gowanus Lands to read up on the gendered allocation and use of park space, so that this project can address the needs of all neighbors.<br />How Better Urban Planning Can Improve Gender Equality - Stockholm Toronto, Baltimore and Vienna offer examples of how to address a problem with public space "Inequality is spatially reinforced by design, from our systems all the way down to individual public spaces. "<br />https://behavioralscientist.org/how-better-urban-planning-can-improve-gender-equality/<br />https://urbact.eu/gender-sensitive-public-space-placemaking-and-spatial-justice-through-perspective-genderAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-19676591796796628342020-07-13T18:08:16.950-04:002020-07-13T18:08:16.950-04:00Chance Bliss, the city lands have ALREADY been des...Chance Bliss, the city lands have ALREADY been designated for recreational use. That is the CURRENT status of that land. That these are "two white dudes" and that these type of visions "privileged communities at the most" is framing this effort in what some may see as a dismissive way. What we need to do as a community is to support the current designation - Frank Verderame, the Assembly Person who worked hard to obtain this designation DECADES AGO was a man of the community. He also envisioned a baseball area in this park. What could be more American? People, we need to defend here that which we ALREADY HAVE!!!Margaretnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-24543128519508726622020-07-13T17:49:33.339-04:002020-07-13T17:49:33.339-04:00@chance bliss: Good point. If they can broaden the...@chance bliss: Good point. If they can broaden their circle of allies, they will have a much more meaningful voice. Maybe they could become a strong enough voice to reach some sort of compromise, where part of the land is developed and part of it becomes a nice park. Or maybe they could gain enough strength to get the whole parcel, especially now that rents are falling. Either way, it would result in more parkland.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-84456497468414630782020-07-13T15:09:33.239-04:002020-07-13T15:09:33.239-04:00two white dudes who want to convert city lands for...two white dudes who want to convert city lands for recreational use. <br /><br />i agree with the need for more open space in our neighborhoods but, historically speaking, initiatives like these tend to benefit privileged communities the most. <br /><br />if they invite representation from other communities who can have a meaningful active voice in the development of the land for public use, then i'd consider supporting this initiative.<br /><br />kids who live in high-density housing need places for play. families need places to gather with room for hosting large groups.<br /><br />if you want to examine a case study in privilege, then look at how the high line was initially proposed and then read up on what it became; who benefited the most and who lost out. some of the people originally involved with the high line's beginnings have since expressed disappointment in the park's long-term impact.chance blissnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36892255.post-31704918194913732682020-07-13T14:32:37.401-04:002020-07-13T14:32:37.401-04:00Brad Lander, of course, will not mention the optio...Brad Lander, of course, will not mention the option of a public park, and will oppose it if he is ever questioned about why he wants "Public Place" to be given to developers for free. Just this week (https://www.thecity.nyc/2020/7/12/21321886/nyc-developers-construction-inequality-coronavirus), he is quoted as saying, “At this urgent and clarifying moment, if we get it right, the Gowanus neighborhood rezoning offers us an opportunity to strengthen our city’s resilience, take meaningful steps toward desegregation and racial justice, support economic recovery, and help lay the foundation for a vibrant, equitable, and sustainable future.” This statement, like Lander's Bridging Gowanus initiative, which purported to seek out local input on the future of the area, and then almost completely ignored everything locals wanted, is a nice-sounding gesture to placate citizens who are not paying attention, but which has no relation to the actual vision Lander has for the area.<br /> <br />Brad, how does building luxury condo towers for 20,000 people that will burden already overburdened infrastructure (sewage, transportation, schools) help towards desegregation and racial justice? What is equitable or sustainable about more luxury condos? Yes, a fraction of these units will be "affordable", but if the problem is lack of affordable housing, why not just build affordable housing? Why doesn't the city address the problems of the Gowanus area NOW (sewage, transportation, schools, unrepaired NYCHA housing), which would surely go much further towards making things equitable and sustainable, BEFORE handing over the area to developers for luxury housing, which nobody in the area needs?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com