Monday, July 21, 2008

Closure Of Entrance At 2nd Place Subway Plaza "Sucks"


Bill Stein's Blue Edifice

The Carroll Gardens community was informed last week that the 2nd Place F train subway entrance will closed for about 6 to 8 months ( +/-) as part of developer Bill Stein's Oliver House construction at 131 Second Place /360 Smith Street.
Below are just some of the comments left on the post that I wrote on the subject
last week when the blue plywood edifice first went up.

********This sucks!!!

******** This f@#*ing s*@t piss me off. God damn Condo thats going to tower 70 feet over every other build in the area is taking away a piece of the neighbor. Yeah Brooklyn needs more condos for more yuppies and NO I'm NOT Bitter.

Last nite i came home and was about to exit at the plaza exit, i look up and there are the neighborhood panhandlers just LOOKING down the stairs, waiting to accost. I should of taken a photo it was classic. Like night of the living dead classic. I never give to drug addicts but i tolerated them in the plaza (and get furious when i see fall for their b.s and give them money) but this just cant fly, there is just no room.

I am familiar with the other guy pictured too...i guess he will have to find a new place to go. anyway i agree with carola& castillo and disagree with anon.

I also agree that there needs to be an attendant at the turnstile to help the elderly, disabled, and people with carts, baby carriages, and luggage through the maze. Why is having a public meeting such a big request for the MTA and our elected officials to arrange. To wait for the CGNA meeting in September is totally too late and not acceptable [...]
For months we have been asking for some answers from the developer Billie Stein, your office, and NYC Transit about a number of concerns. For some reason, the MTA/NYC Transit can be in communication with the developer all summer, and answer his multitude of questions, but it can't be in communication with us, their patrons. Their job in government relations is community relations, but it is too inconvenient for them to deal with the community. They might get screamed at!! If they would have answered our questions in the beginning, there would not be all of these rumors that are going like wildfire throughout the community in private emails. I think the MTA is used to dealing with neighborhoods in Manhattan where they just close an entrance and people just shrug their shoulders and use another entrance. I think that Manhattaners just have a feeling of hopelessness, and are resigned to the MTA's incompetence, and subway inconveniences [...]
We are a true neighborhood, and expect a certain level of service, which seems to be a strange request for the MTA. We expect for the MTA to do its job and meet with the community, answer our questions, and address our concerns. Is this too much service to ask?


Anonymous said...

Honestly, I think sound like bunch of self-entitled whiners that think nothing should ever inconvenience them.
This city needs more housing and needs to make good use if its mass transit infrastructure. Atop a subway entrance is exactly the place where higher density housing is appropriate. Yet, this is hardly high density, is slightly taller than surrounding area (not towering 70' above as the one suggeests) - is mostly replacing parking lot which did nothing to improve look of the area and is across street from another eyesore.
I support expanding historic district and defining Place blocks as narrower. But we cannot divorce ourselves from NYC - we must have places where more and denser housing is allowed.
(I don't hear any complaints about how tall the senior housing is between Hoyr and Bond).
Subway fares are cheap in this day in age - and people act like they are buying 1st class plane tix.
It really seems that people find fault with any development even though they say not anti development. Just like the father of teenage girl who says ok for daughter to date - just not any guy she knows.

Anonymous said...

These reactions are kind of off-the-wall. I use this entrance and don't think this is a significant inconvenience. The building may be a little too tall, but it's not huge or aesthetically noxious. It's just not that big of a deal, say I.

Anonymous said...

Hear hear! I live steps from this subway entrance, and while I am not a fan of our neighborhood changing too much, change is inevitable. Would the poster be happy if the real estate he owned was still the same value it was in the mid-80's when you couldn't GIVE away anything on Hoyt or Smith or, god forbid, GOWANUS!!!

Anonymous said...

I think that the three anonymous posts above were all left by the same person...and his name might be Stein! 6-8 months of inconvenience to a whole neighborhood for one building, to accommodate one developer? Sorry, that does suck!

Anonymous said...

Seriously. I would rattle the cages of my councilman and every other elected rep. It's alomst dangerous to force everyone in the neighborhood into that tiny little entrance at President Street. Get 2nd Place open again or Stein should pay a huge penalty to the community for closing it.